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Ref. Ares(2018)1180540 - 02/03/2018
Ref. Ares(2018)2092074 - 19/04/2018
To: 
VELASCO MARTINS Pedro (CAB-MALMSTROM); ASENIUS Maria (CAB-
MALMSTROM) 
Cc: 
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 (TRADE);  Art.4.1(b)
 (TRADE) 
Subject: 
Report: Meeting Maria Asenius, Head of CAB Commissioner Malmström with 
ESF, 9 February 2018 
out of scope
Friday, 9 February 2018 
Participants 
Maria Asensius, Head of Cabinet, Commissioner Malmström 
Pedro VELASCO MARTINS, Member of Cabinet, Commissioner Malmström 
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, Services, DG TRADE 
European Services Forum 
Pascal Kerneis, ESF 
Tilman Kupfer, British Telecom 
Noel Clehane, BDO 
The ESF presented its latest position papers to Commissioner Malmström's Head of 
Cabinet (MA) regarding trade in services in general and in the context of 
ongoing/upcoming FTA negotiations with Mexico, Mercosur, Chile, Australia and New 
Zealand.  
Sharing some new data material and presentations, the overall stressed the need to 
enhance the understanding of the importance of trade in services for the EU economy 
and ensure better data collection that demonstrates how services are key in FDI and also 
in value added for export of goods.  
For them, implementation of FTAs particularly was important and ESF welcomed the 
new COM –implementation report but stressed that services were neglected in this 
context. It called on the COM to try and coordinate more with MS who are responsible 
for trade promotion to ensure that road shows and direct advocacy with companies can 
happen on the ground; explained how they are involved in Canada to promote the 
benefits of CETA to local business.  
MA explained that a lot of work was being done including direct outreach by the 
Commissioner but that indeed capacity was limited at COM level and MS were in charge 
of local promotion activities.  
ESF raised TiSA and asked whether this could go ahead even without the US. As regards 
the outcome of MC11, they also asked about SMEs since this was particularly important 
for services with many micro-sms. 
MA explained how MC11 had demonstrated how difficult it is at present to move at a 
multilateral but even at a plurilateral level and that there were no discussions about TiSA 
at this stage. Stressed the outcome on e-commerce and domestic regulation further 
explorative work at MC11. Highlighted that Micro-SMEs had in fact been quite 


prominent in the discussions and people were aware of the need to do more on this 
front. 
On data flows, ESF stressed the importance to be ambitious and asked about the state of 
play. 
MA informed them that a political letter explaining the COM position was about to be 
sent to the Council PRES and EP and would then be subject to further discussions with 
MS and EP. ESF voiced concerns over lack of ambition on data flows and said that they 
had much favoured the TPP text at the time.  
On ongoing negotiations, ESF expressed satisfaction with the outcome on Japan but 
disappointment over Mercosur, Mexico and Chile; Notably they flagged the complexity 
of hybrid lists used for Mexico.  
On Mercosur they highlighted the need for ambition on financial services, 
telecommunications and maritime transport.  
ESF asked about the Turkey mandate for the modernisation of the customs union and 
whether this would then become a DCFTA including services. MA highlighted that this 
was still in a preliminary stage of discussions on the mandate.  
As regards AUS & NZ ESF asked for next steps and how the discussions on the 
negotiating directives related to the discussions on FTA architecture. MA explained that 
this was indeed an important consideration for progress on the negotiating directives. 
Explained that the ECJ Singapore Opinion had provided much needed clarity on 
competence and that COM was building on this in respect to future FTA's structure.  
ESF also flagged the importance of public procurement in services and public works.  
ESF (BDO) called on COM to focus on traditional trade elements and spoke out against 
mandatory standards for corporate social responsibility or sanctions against sustainable 
development infringements.  
MA explained that modern FTAs now were unthinkable without TSD chapters. COM’s 
approach was to seek adoption of key international standards in areas such as labour 
and environment.  
To conclude ESF stressed the importance of EU27-UK services trade and said it hope this 
could be dealt with in manner in the future relationship that would allow trade in 
services to continue. 
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European Commission 
DG TRADE 
Unit B1 Services 

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B-1049 Brussels/Belgium 
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